england-national-crime-mapping data?
Might be missing something but the entry for the crime-mapping data (http://data.hmg.gov.uk/data/packageinfo/england-national-crime-mapping) links to the web page, no sign of a download.
Thanks. We'll look into that.
Hi Richard. I hope you're well? Do you know when the Government will turn their websites, obscure data mining apps, and randomly named spreadsheets into live, machine readable data sources? Even if they had RSS it would be a huge improvement, especially where data may change over time. It's very easy to do, if only someone would tell them to do it!
e.g. The jsjd-asbo-data (ASBO) source links to a website where you have to click away to retrieve data which is presented in an HTML table. The data can't be found using URL params and anyone wanting to use it will have to write a screen scraping program. This is just one example.
Thanks,
Gary Fenton
I am not seriously doubting that it is easy to provide a spreadsheet in machine readable form (or should I say a more easily machine readable form? Spreadsheets are a hell of an advance on the PDF which was sometimes the only form available). However, there can be issues about just how it should best be done.
One of those is data revisions. If all anyone is ever going to want is access to the most up to date estimates, there is not much of an issue. The old data get overwritten each time. But some users need access to the old estimates as well. One of the key questions is often how much and why data have been revised. If this history is lost, it becomes harder to do this. National Statistics principles say that past (or even erroneous) statistical releases must not be removed. So do we maintain an ever increasing number of versions of a time series in directly machine readable form, presumably with some guidance to the user? Or do we keep the old versions alive in the less friendly form only?
Even more specific - what about data discontinuities? It is easy to indicate the existence of a discontinuity in a table. Less easy, I think, in something which is designed to be picked up automatically by a computer and placed into some other application. Sometimes, also, the new series is only available back to (say) 2003, with the old series being the only indicator of trends for (say) 1983 to 2003. Continued access to that old series, flaged up as "old basis", may be essentail for some uses.
It is also quite common for data for a particular year for a couple of categories to be combined, in order to avoid one or both of the individual categories revealing something about an individual or a business. If you are not careful, the external application is going to end up with totally inconsistent data.
While I am sure there are ways of dealing with these issues, it is likely to involve a bit more than telling someone to press a button which says "turn into CSV/RDF" form or whatever.
As an aside, I was working as a government statistician when the Open Data initiative was launched (the user name is a bit of a clue). What it felt like in the immediate aftermath was people in Cabinet Office saying "why have you not already got this stuff in RDF already?". Most of us had probably never heard of RDF, and it seemed impossible to get any guidance that was understandable to someone who did not already understand it (think of a bad manual for a software package!). Expectations seem to be more realistic now, with an acceptance that non-randomly named spreadsheets and/or CSV represented a reasonable start, and that the resource available was probably better devoted to other tasks.
So please let's not run away with the idea that everything is easy and it is just lazy or incompetent civil servants who can't be bothered. The technical transformation may be easy, but some thought about whether the resultant presentation of the data would help or hinder users is not a bad thing to do first.
The same goes for other crime mapping data, e.g. http://data.hmg.gov.uk/data/packageinfo/jsjd-asbo-data
Hi there my name is Callum Bowen and I ‘am currently in the process of doing my dissertation project at University of Wales institute Cardiff in where my aim is to create a Web based Crime Statistics Mapping Application using ‘Google maps’. The idea is to try and plot crime statistics onto my Google map API and show the statistics at a street level view. Until recently there has been a newly introduced site as you’re aware by the police, http://www.police.uk/. My idea now is to allow users to be able to add their own Crime Statistics anywhere on the map and hopefully I was hoping to get some valuable feedback for my dissertation to whether or not this idea is a good idea and would users use my site? Any feedback would be grateful on here or via my email, atip_cal@hotmail.com, Thank you!!
Callum
I would not see this as a good idea.
Firstly, data which are based on self-selection are usually unreliable. The most extreme cases are web polls, which are totally open to being hijacked by the ehavily motivated, and would best be seen as a bit of a fun, if they weren't so dangerous. True, recorded crime statistics are self-selection too (which is why the British Crime Survey is fundamentally better), as people can choose whether or not to report a crime, but there is at least a reasonably consistent point in reporting it, that is gettingt it investigated.
Secondly, bear in mind that resources of this type are often used to argue for greater resource allocation to problem areas. So what better way to get the boys in blue to patrol your street than to invent phoney crimes? Absolutely no risk of comeback, like wasting police time by reporting a crime that didn't happen to them. This argument could be turned on its head - e g don't add the crimes that do happen because it will depress property prices - but the basic point remains that the data being added in would have no validation done on it, so could be rubbish for some sort of motive, or because someone just fancies messing about.
Thirdly, good statistics should be about providing worthwhile comparisons between areas and acrss time. That means using a standardised set of definitions. By all acounts it is hard enough to get police forces to be consistent, but allowing somebody with no knowledge of the categories, or of the treatment to adopt when there are several victime sof one crime, or several perpetrators of one crime, is asking for trouble.
Sorry to be so negative but I think this is an idea which would - if it took off - make proper discussion of local crime levels even harder to achieve.
What’s the point in criminal mapping when there yellowbellied neighbours will not report their crimes outside their own homes?
I think its a good idea but do you think they'll be any problems as a result? Will people avoid buying or going to certain areas because of this data? And a lot of strain is being placed on the accuracy of the data - some people don't report crimes so the data is not 100% correct.
Still looking forward to it.
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